Episode Transcript

Common Investing Mistakes
Episode 70: May 14, 2008

This is guest host Andrew Horowitz, money manager and host of The Disciplined Investor Podcast.

Today on MoneyGirl, we will take a look at the seven most common mistakes investors make and the lessons that we can be learn from them.

Several listeners have written in and asked how to avoid the most common new-investor missteps.

What am I talking about? Think back for a second…Have you ever found yourself saying: That was so stupid, I should have known better. Or, why did I sell that stock? Or even, why did I listen to Uncle Irv’s stock tip?

AND, do you have that condition I call Red-Forehead-Syndrome? You know, when you bang your head on the desk over and over because you feel you made a stupid mistake when investing.

Do doo da dooo! Help has arrived!

Believe it or not, even Warren Buffet has made a mistake or two during his illustrious 40-plus years of investing. So, you should expect to make some mistakes yourself. The trick is to recognize your mistakes and learn from them.

Mistake Number 1 – Using too much margin

Margin or borrowing to leverage your investments is known in investment circles as "free money." But the truth is, many times it is exactly the opposite. If you use too much borrowed money, and your margined- investments start losing, your losses will be compounded. Remember, eventually you will have to pay back the money that was borrowed and if you didn’t use margin wisely, you can really be in for some financial pain. If you use margin without discipline, you might as well just throw your money out a window--you will get the same result. The lesson to be learned is simple. As a new investor, use margin sparingly, if at all. Wait until you are more experienced and more aware of the pitfalls of investing on margin.

Mistake number 2 – Buying stocks on unsubstantiated tips

This is the mistake played out so well on sitcoms, comedy routines, and with your crazy Uncle Larry who tells you that he is "quite sure this is the next hot stock.” Taking a tip in itself is not a huge mistake, but not following up on these "tips" with thorough research and not considering the source can be the biggest financial faux pas you will ever make. Just because you got the tip from your crazy Uncle Larry, who is back on his winning streak,ever since he got back from the “pen” may not be a great long-term strategy. The lesson to be learned – Thoroughly research any "hot tips" and try to get a second opinion before investing your hard-earned money.

Mistake number 3 – Day trading

As alluring and flashy as day trading appears to the inexperienced outsider, day trading for a novice investor is nothing short of money-masochism. You have surely heard about investors who spend all day in front of the computer buying and selling stocks. You have also heard the stories of day traders making thousands on one trade before their first cup of coffee in the morning. But, did you know these investors also started small? They worked their way up to the bigger profits …and losses. In order to be successful, they need a good amount of data, research, and a well-heeled strategy to make a consistent profit. As a day trader, you need training, patience, and most importantly – discretionary capital. Without these and specialized trading software, you can lose and lose fast. The lesson to be learned – If you are not particularly skilled at dealing with stress, there are other options other than day trading to help build your wealth. Look at day trading as a career, not a hobby or sideline.

Mistake number 4 – Overestimating your abilities

This is the probably the worst mistake the new investor can make. Overestimating your abilities as an investor is usually the product of early success. Often times, when you begin managing investments, you can get swept up in the euphoria and start drinking in your own success. Overconfidence while investing is the trait of a rank amateur--the amateur who eventually wonders why his early success has turned into massive failure. Sure, If you invest your time wisely in research and strategy, you can do well, but you need to always be on the lookout for your next landmine. Always ask, what am I missing, what can go wrong?

The lesson to be learned – Do not assume that simply because you have a computer and the Internet that you can beat the pros. Red and green buy and sell strategies may get you a profit here or there, but investing requires patience and above all, a touch of humility.

Mistake number 5 – Forgetting to look at the big picture

Even after studying all of the technical jargon – financial statements and predictions – many new investors forget to look at the rest of the picture – the economy and the trend. The pros say: “The trend is your friend” and “Don’t fight the tape.” Sometimes we get caught up in the minutia and forget to look around at what is right in front of us. Remember, investing in bad stock in good times may produce profits, but investing in a good stock in bad times will often produce losses. Step back and look at things from a distance to gain perspective.

The lesson to be learned – Looking at the big picture is just as important as being technically savvy and fundamentally correct. If the wave is big enough it will knock down even the biggest building. The same is true with the markets. Remember, a rising tide raises all ships.

Mistake number 6 – Compounding your losses with pride

Many investors spend days, and even weeks, before choosing to invest in that perfect stock. But what happens when the stock goes south? Well, many novice investors let their pride get in the way and they choose to keep the stock. William O’Neill teaches that stocks should be sold once they are 7% lower than your purchase cost. No ifs, ands or buts.

The lesson to be learned – No matter how much time you spend researching a stock before you invest , always have a sell discipline. Make sure you are following a plan to ensure that your downside risk is tolerable. Take pride and emotions and leave them at the door, there is no room for either of those in a profitable portfolio.

Mistake number 7 – Beware the bargain stock

Sometimes a stock is low because it is supposed to be. Sure there are times when a stock is mispriced, but not often. There may be reasons that you are not aware of that the price has crashed 50%. Even if everything looks good, something may be awry. In many cases, there may be a fundamental reason for the decrease in price that will revel itself sometime in the future.

Lesson to be learned – Price alone should not be the determining factor in making a decision of whether a stock should be purchased. Do your homework.

Cha-Ching …and that’s all for now. Courtesy of Andrew Horowitz, guest host of Money Girl’s Tips for a Richer Life. Thanks for tuning in to “Money Girl”. And to thank Darren, Katie and Shannon for sending in questions that helped with this important show topic, we are going to send you a copy of my book.

Remember, these disciplines are just a few that I cover in my Book – The Disciplined Investor – Essential Strategies for Success. Pick up a copy at Amazon and start on the road to becoming a disciplined investor.

As always, everyone’s situation is different, so be sure to consult a tax or financial advisor before making important financial decisions. This podcast is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for seeking personalized, professional advice.

Thanks for listening!


Comments (12) for Common Investing Mistakes |  Subscribe to Comment

yuu Says:
6/10/2008 8:44:14 AM
I am a English beginner. I am a university student in Japan. I often listen to "Money girl" to strengthen my listening skill. I appreciate this site and stuff because I gain both listenin skill and financial knowledge. by the way ,what does mean the term "Uncle Larry "? I see it first time. Is it often used in America?
Andrew Horowitz Says:
6/3/2008 9:45:31 PM
Shane: Be careful who you study. Unless you have the back account of Warren B, or Peter L, you need to worry. They do, yes.

Study all of the greats... AND, comissions are so low today the the cst factors are relly not a concern. If you want to buy and hold at all cost.. go for it.. If you start with $100 and lose 50%, how much do you needed, in % to get back to $100? 100% !

Is that easy..no! Protect downside. I have been at tis 25 years, so I will stick to the reality of what works, no just the theory.... Rebecca, keep on listening, you will get it soon. AND, of course you can buy stocks during the day. Just try to leave emotions out of process.

Andrew

Rebecca Says:
5/30/2008 8:31:25 AM
I'm sure this was very good advice but it did not seem geared toward beginners at all. I am a beginner and did not understand most of the terms used. A much more basic guide would be helpful for those of us who have no idea what the heck day trading and stuff like that is. Does this mean I should not buy stocks during the day? I'm confused....
Shane Says:
5/28/2008 3:47:57 PM
I am a relatively new investor. But I am trying to learn from the greats such as Warren Buffett, Peter Lynch, Bill Miller, many others. Do they place limit orders to sell for 7% below what they paid immediately after they purchase a stock? Is this what you do with just stocks or also index/ETF? In IRA also? I prefer to buy and hold. That way I pay less commission fees, pay less in taxes, and work a lot less. If you "cut your losses" and sell after a drop and then buy back in.....what if it drops more? Sell again and then buy back after more dropping? How do you know where the bottom is....or the top? I figured out a long time ago, that I will not buy at the bottom and will not sell at the top. What if a stock rises 7% above what you paid? Do you sell then too? I don't know anything about Citi, Countrywide, or Ford, so I would not buy. The market is emotional. Stocks fluctuate. I prefer to manage my emotions. Take Moodys for example. It recently had a sell off. Do you think Buffett is worried? Shane
Andrew Horowitz Says:
5/22/2008 12:47:52 AM
Shane: It appears that you are a relatively new investor. You believe that things will always pop back up... Did you invest in 2000-2002? The NASDAQ is still 50% below where it was in 1999. If you cut losses, you can always buy back and if my stock dropped 15%, it would mean I bought it 15% too high. Be careful as you may be too sure of yourself and your positions. That is the exact mistake we are discussing. What if our holdings go down another 10%. Just by more without understanding why they are down. Is Citigroup a buy because it is 50% lower than it was? Is Countrywide? Id Ford? Sometimes sitting out the storm is a good thing, even though you may miss some updside. Losing 50% on an investment means that you will hvae to see a 100% gain to et back to even... Best of luck and read O'Neill, You will be surprised. He is legendary. Andrew
Shane Says:
5/21/2008 6:20:45 PM
I realize there are many methods to investing. I listen to the teachings of The Motley Fools. So far, they are delivering market beating returns. I want to buy quality companies at attractive prices. I have not looked into O'Neill's teachings, but selling at loss does not sound like a money saving technique. That guarantees a loss of capital. I do have positions that are well below my initial purchase price. I do not wish that I sold them. I see it as the market offering them to me at a discount. Do you like to see discounts at stores or prices going up? If you purchased an item and then was soon after offered the same item at a 15% discount, would you refuse? I like the businesses in my portfolio. I have several positions that have dropped and then bounced way up. If I had sold after a loss, I would have missed out on some big gains. People need to control their emotions and be patient. I know that not all stocks always go up but over time the cream rises to the top. I did pick up some good tips from this episode.
Andrew Horowitz Says:
5/21/2008 12:44:06 AM
MAX: Check out The Disciplined Investor - Horowitz

How to Make Money in Stocks - O'Neill Fast Profits n Hard Times - Goodman

Andrew Horowitz

Andrew Horowitz Says:
5/21/2008 12:40:20 AM
Shane: Thanks for the comments... There are many types of investment strategies. If you believe that there is only one that is a sure fire way to lousy returns. The market changes over time, so should you. If you listen to the teachings of William O'Neill, founder of Investor Bus Daily, he has shown proof that cutting a stock with a 7-8% loss from buy price is a simple rule that saves money for the investor. No one said you cannot buy the stock back. Also, this is a 7 minute lesson that touches on basic investor mistakes. It is not absolute, just a guide to get you on the right track. I am confident that there are a few positions that you own that would you would have wished that you had a sell discipline for. You are commenting like all stocks will always go up..Some stay down and you need to have rules and disciplines. Take a look at any of Mr. O'Neill's books and strategies and then tell me what you think... Did you pick up any good tips from this episode? Andrew Horowitz http://www.thedisciplinedinvestor.com
Max Says:
5/20/2008 11:43:51 PM
Yes, I am wondering if you could suggest any great books out there for any investor to read. Anything from the most basic to the more complex. I would love to read books that would give me more reason to invest.
General Says:
5/20/2008 11:40:16 PM
Great tips for novice and expert investors. I am an investore myself and sometimes I have to look back to see what I am doing right and wrong. This tips can really keep you out of trouble in the volatile market.
Shane Says:
5/20/2008 6:00:40 PM
I have been listening to Money Girl's shows for several months. I have enjoyed them, but am disappointed with some of the advice in Episode 70. I disagree with "Mistake number 6 – Compounding your losses with pride". If one has an investment thesis and is confident in a business, then selling after a stock has dropped sounds like a mistake. You should be buying when stocks are on sale, not selling. If I followed this advice to sell after a 7% drop I would have sold off almost all of my positions and missed out on some great gains in the future. When do you decide to buy again? This sounds like a strategy that is trying to predict bottoms and time the market. Not a successful long term approach. This "sell discipline" does not have regard for the business, just the stock price. Stocks can move up and down regardless of what the business is doing. I am reminded of a quote, "Wall Street makes its money off activity. You make your money on inactivity." Long term investors don't need to check their portfolios daily. I am disappointed to hear this advice coming from this show. Shane
Cashola Says:
5/15/2008 7:20:26 PM
Excellent podcast. I will definitely be subscribing to this! Thank you for the great information

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